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About the only thing tight on a Dynasonic are heads.
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Bruce would you please post the rail and ends of the bottom of your early Dyna so I can see the set up? I should be able to convert without a problem right? I'd like to see what Im looking for. Thanx..

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Bruce would you please post the rail and ends of the bottom of your early Dyna so I can see the set up? I should be able to convert without a problem right? I'd like to see what Im looking for. Thanx..



Yes, I'll get a chance to do that on Wed.

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From Longroll "If you take the frame off of a Dynasonic and just put on snare wires the snare sound is poor and they wires buzz in sympathy to any vibrations. "

I agree with this - it is a 'buzzier' sound. Although it is surprising how good a Dyna can sound without the frame. When I record mine, the slight looseness is fine. It does have Puresounds, which help.

After playing a Powertone this week, the dyna now seems really buzzy.

Bruce, do you have any pics of the 'felt method' for adjusting blunt end frames? I am despairing of finding a 60's frame for my dyna.

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Hate to say it, but I think I like the sound of my wood Powertone much better than my COB Dyna.

I thought it was the fussy Dyna snare arrangement, but now I'm certain that is incorrect. I just picked up a wood Dyna, 5" like my COB Dyna, and this drum sounds incredible. It really is awesome. I'd rate the wood Powertone as a close second or even equal. I think I'm done with COB. The sound is too gutteral. Sounds like a tomtom trying to be a snare.

I know, I know, it's only my humble opinion, and I'm eaily swayed, but I fought with that COB Dyna from 1968 to the present, and the Powertone and wood Dyna were a snap to tune in comparison.
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tommykat1 wrote: I know, I know, it's only my humble opinion, and I'm eaily swayed, but I fought with that COB Dyna from 1968 to the present, and the Powertone and wood Dyna were a snap to tune in comparison.



Good on you for being honest. I tell myself that the problem was the Big R frame, but I never had any luck with my original COB Dyna - 20 years ago. I tried and tried - and this was during a period when I was playing 4 nights a week on a big stage, great sound; all the time in the world to fiddle with it. But I hear the wood Dynas and they sound perfect! I guess it's not fair to make another judgement until I get a complete COB example. But the Powertone I just got going came together so easily and sounds brilliant. It's the kind of snare that needs zero fiddling to get the snares really snappy. Ludwig, Premier - lot's of others flirted with those parrallel ideas and they never had it for me. One of my all time fave snares is my Black Beauty and it is the simplest design out there. Don't get me wrong - I'm open to it at this stage but my memories of the COB Dyna as a 'go to' snare are not great . . .



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From Longroll "If you take the frame off of a Dynasonic and just put on snare wires the snare sound is poor and they wires buzz in sympathy to any vibrations. "

I agree with this - it is a 'buzzier' sound. Although it is surprising how good a Dyna can sound without the frame. When I record mine, the slight looseness is fine. It does have Puresounds, which help.

After playing a Powertone this week, the dyna now seems really buzzy.

Bruce, do you have any pics of the 'felt method' for adjusting blunt end frames? I am despairing of finding a 60's frame for my dyna.



First you have to be sure that your frame is no twisted. Take it to a large glass mirror or plate glass table top and with the wires removed place it down on the glass, the same way it would be on he bottom head and see if it rocks from side to side. Remember it's only resting on the two machined flats, one on each end, where the snare wires rest.

Put the snare wire back on the frame, don't tighten the wire mounting screws, one at each end, just take them down until they stop. Now tension the wires a little using the slotted single screw at the tension end of the frame.

Now looking from the side, do the wires look flat or bow up just a little. You can use a straight edge to compare with, or have someone else hold the frame and you can stretch a string from end to end to compare the bow of the wires.

If the wires are flat or bow up a little , then your ok, if they bow down then you need to put a small strip of material (felt, cloth, thin material) between the machined surface of the frame where the snare plate sits, one on each end. Just enough to make the wires flat or bow up a little.

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I had the same problems with my COB Dyna until I learned how to make it work and it's just about the greatest sound you'll ever hear. Wood sounds different and there's no doubt about that but if you're looking for that distintive COB sound nothing beats a well tuned Dyna.
 
Tune the drum with the snares off. Coated Remo Diplomat head on the batter side and clear Remo Ambassador on the snare side and tune up the bottom about a fouth higher than the top. (here comes the bride is a fourth) Fairly tight. Make sure that you tune evenly on each lug. I don't care what kind of drum you have, if you tune the lugs unevenly it will sound like crap. Hit the head with a stick about one inch in from the rim at each lug to hear how close they are and get them to match.

Make sure that the snare frame is centered on the head (this is important) and engage the strainer but loosen it all the way till it just touches the head. Then tighten it just until most of the buzz/rattle is gone and it just kisses the head. Never overtighten the strainer as that will choke the snares. Then fine tune by using the snare tension screw on the frame. Finger tight [sign in to see URL] use a screw driver. Make sure you have good snare wires or nothing you do will work.

This method will give you the classic COB sound. If you want different sounds from your Dyna use different batter heads. I use an Evens Genera dry for rock and funk and crank it real tight. But I've found that using the clear Ambassador snare side is the best with every other batter.

Once you get the feel for tuning this drum you'll never want to use anything else. This drum works for jazz, rock, fine concert playing, just about anything you want. I've used mine with a symphony orchestra, concert band, big band, latin, funk, rock... you name it the Dyna's played it.

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Once you get the feel for tuning this drum you'll never want to use anything else. This drum works for jazz, rock, fine concert playing, just about anything you want. I've used mine with a symphony orchestra, concert band, big band, latin, funk, rock... you name it the Dyna's played it.

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Great post Jack. Thanks very much. You've given me hope.
I really want to get my Dyna going (no frame yet) because it's a great drum. This method works with the later frames? By that I mean such as the repro models? - PK

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