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OK , well I'm brand new here and I've found it ! I have found the process of achieving clean cymbals ! I never thought I'd see my cymbals ever again the way they looked 44 years ago . And to get it done with so little labor . I've heard so many horror stories and about things that just don't get the job done . But ,.... I found it !
I tried to find an existing thread on the topic here and couldn't , so if there is one I'll post there . Somebody let me know . And ,.. Until then , I found it ! And that's my story and I'm stickn' to it !
I just wanna pass on the process that worked so well for me . Only a couple bucks worth of stuff and maybe 15 to 20 minutes per pan at the most and no buffing !
You guys lemme know if you're interested and I'll post back !
Dave .

Oh , BTW , I've got an 1972 vintage kit . Londoner V . With and added on 18" floor tom . Bought 'em new in seventy two.
Hey , I'm a poet and didn't even know it .

Lemme know if y'all wanna hear the story .

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Annex, of course we're interested! With that kind of lead in, who wouldn't be? Please, tell us more.

I use Blue Magic, but it is a lengthy process. Also, I avoid the areas where the cymbals have been inked by some manufacturers. And I have some Zildjian 11" paper thin hats from the 1930s that have a signature under one of the bells that I won't ever disturb.
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OK , Here goes ;
44 years after trying Zildjian Cymbal Rouge and wishing I'd never put it on my only a few month old cymbals , I finally decided it was time to find out what I was really up against to get these things back to like new condition for once and for all . In the interim , I had only used "NevrDull" and thought , well , that's as good as it gets . It sure seamed to beat the crap out of the buffing required with the "Rouge" and what else was there ? NevrDull did a decent job . And in 44 years I'd only done it maybe 5 times . Problem was that each time even though they were polished up , they gradually took on a darker and darker tone . So finally , I got on line which I didn't even know about till just recently and started to scour . Article after thread after article , I wasn't getting anything where there was an overall positive consensus . It worked for some and others cursed it . Then I saw Groove Juice and something called Lizard Spit . And the Wrights Copper Cream or the Brasso crowd . Still though , so many negatives always came up . Well turns out that Groove Juice has the most positive feedback per capita , and I saw in a thread about this stuff called Barkeepers Friend , and that it has the same active ingredient as Groove Juice . It's called Oxalic Acid . I had some Barkeepers Friend under the kitchen sink and sure enough it has Oxalic Acid in there . Mostly you want to hang onto all the material your cymbals are made of that you can and not polish away the tonal grooves , and man , what will this ever so abrasive Barkeepers Friend end up doing ? Scary huh ?
Well I've all Zildjian A's and love them all but they have aged and become not so bright sonically as well as visually . Soap and water ? You bet . I put a nice thick towel down in the driveway , grabbed a long handled car wash brush (very fine bristles) , put the trigger attachment on the hose , took out the Palmolive Oxy dish soap and the Barkeepers Friend , then my Rock 21 Ride . With it sitting on the towel , I wet this jewel down , ran a bead o dish soap on it and gently brushed (just the weight of the brush) , staying true to the tonal grooves . Just the soap in itself apon rinsing saw a smal bit of lightening in color . Hey , the oxidation that gets left in the tonal grooves from using NevrDull along with other patina was leaving , but still far from what the goal was . Plenty of water is good . Sprinkle the Barkeepers Friend on the wet cymbal and make a thin paste with the car was brush (no pressure) and staying true to the grooves . You can see all the years of color coming up . Rinse again and I was floored ! It looked brand freaking new again ! I flipped it and did the bottom . Wow ! Now I'll work my way through the other seven . The whole drum kit looks different now and my "pies" look and sound like they did for the first time in over four decades .
Once the Bakeepers Friend gets wiped around with the fine brush , I tried to find some sort of abrasion rubbing my fingers together and couldn't . You could put pressure down and not worry about losing material at all , but I saw no reason to as the Oxalic Acid just being there in its diluted state is working for you . Only enough time to get it clean then rinse and dry . Rinse good . Dry good . No polishing needed ! I have yet to decide on putting some type of protector on them to maybe lengthen time between cleaning intervals , but at this point it seems that just the dish soap and a quick light fine brush , then dry now and again will keep them where they are . At what , 12 bucks a bottle ? For Groove Juice ? Vs. 2 bucks a can for Barkeepers Friend ? Lemme think . Guaranteed you'll clean more "pies" with the two dollar can of Barkeepers Friend than you ever could think about by far doing with the 12 dollar bottle of Groove Juice .
Now , this will take your logos off unless you make ways around it . Most of my "A's" didn't have logos to begin with due to their vintage , and the "pies" I've added as time went by that do , .... well , I just want them gone anyway . They look so good now ! And "we don't need no stinking logos" . They all look '70's new now !
I just hope I helped as I was really not expecting to ever see these things look like this ever again . And the lively sound of these great cymbals is like the day I bought them new !
I was not looking forward to the physical fight in doing this that I didn't even have to do . No buffing , no material loss , no sweat .
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Dave

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Huh ? Why am I ending up with double postings ?
It's not the only one .

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Huh ? Why am I ending up with double postings ?
It's not the only one .



When you post, give it extra time to process. Especially large data. I sometimes refresh the window when tired of waiting. It usually is there waiting for me.....................
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Huh ? Why am I ending up with double postings ?
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Took care of the double post, Annex II.
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As I understand it, Barkeepers Friend is not abrasive like Comet, which should be avoided. Glad BF works, and I may try it sometime.

My favorite non abrasive polish is Blue Magic. Works well on steel, aluminum, brass, and most anything else, including chrome and other plating. I wash my cymbals with liquid dish soap, dry, and then polish with Blue Magic.
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I've used BKF on some old A's that were green - it worked great!
I put an old towel in the bathtub (to keep from scratching the tub) and then fill it with some water (about 1"). Makes it easy to dunk the cymbal to keep it wet/rinsed.
It will take off ink logos and I don't think I'd use it on a brilliant finish, but for "regular" cymbals it's great.
Wear gloves because it does a number on your hands if you're doing a bunch of cymbals.

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I have been using Barkeepers Friend for years and it works great! NAD
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