justinlamb75
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The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
I'm not looking to start a debate about whether or not the tubes choke toms. However, for those of you have cut the tubes for toms and noticed a difference, have you ever wondered about the support tube inside the bass drum? I've wondered if the fact that the tube is fastened securely to both the top and bottom of the drum has any affect on the sound. Haven't done any tests yet but I was just curious if anyone else has wondered about and/or tried it with and without the tube.
Any thoughts on this?
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1/24/2014, 12:17 pm
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amosguy
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
Don't recommend you cut the full length tube. The mount by itself is not solid enough to support the toms with just the 2 small crews holding it in place. Why cut it at all? If you want to experiment, just use a tom mount in the shell. If you think it will be permanent, make a plate for inside the shell to support the toms. The older Swivo style holder has a plate on it.
I bought a "double bass" set from a kit who just used the tom mount on the second bd. Pretty stressed shell in the end.
Doubt the tube really makes a sound difference, but without the tube, it is risky on the bd shell.
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1/24/2014, 1:52 pm
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
My 22" XP8 bass drum, with the tube, is a canon! Band mates think it's by far the best sounding BD they've ever heard. They also love the toms, with the tubes intact. I wouldn't mess with anything. You can really damage the BD by removing the tube!
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1/24/2014, 2:25 pm
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
I would not mess with the support. I am not sure what type of music you play, but the fact that most people put something inside the bass drum to dampen the tone or muffle it indicates to me that if it muffles it a bit ,that might be desirable. I saw Simon Phillips put a full can of paint inside his bass drums and they thumped.
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1/24/2014, 3:02 pm
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musicbybj
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
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daytonxp8 wrote:
I would not mess with the support. I am not sure what type of music you play, but the fact that most people put something inside the bass drum to dampen the tone or muffle it indicates to me that if it muffles it a bit ,that might be desirable. I saw Simon Phillips put a full can of paint inside his bass drums and they thumped.
My XP8's are wide open, no muting whatsoever. Great sound. My 63 Cleveland's have been relegated to the swing band and lighter stuff. And as you can see, from my avatar, I mute the BD.
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JohnPloughman
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
I know a lot of people argue about this and some have even backed up their points with somewhat scientific support. Ive played Memriloc since 1979. Theres not enough there to mess with.
So, why do people spend several thousands of dollars on a custom made modern drumset with precision cut edges finished to a smoothness that would make an auto detailer proud of his work, and then use EC2 batters and resos?
Just how choked can it be?
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daytonxp8
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I totally agree with Ploughman's point. All this stuff is done to maximize this and that, then put heads on that dampen sound. The heads will have much more impact on the sound than the support post would have.
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justinlamb75
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
Like I said, I wasn't trying to start a debate. I'm not interested in cutting anything but instead wondered if anyone had carefully removed the tube and played the bass drum without it to compare the sound (without a tom or toms installed). I'm sure any difference would be negligible. I could always try it myself sometime but most likely I won't because I like how my '76 24" sounds. I like to experiment occasionally but for the most part I'm a "leave it stock" kind of a guy (same with the old VW buses I drive).
Thanks for the thoughts, guys.
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1/27/2014, 1:15 am
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Re: The Infamous Memriloc/Choked Drums Question - Bass Drum?
I've done this while restoring a 22" XP8 a few years ago. It made no difference.
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