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Thanks for the info and compliments guys! I've just finished braking them down and have a few questions. Most of the galvanized washers and screws are caked with powder due to the galvy oxidizing, would it be worth it to track down new screws and washers instead of painting them? would it take away from the [sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL] i have 14 tom lugs that are perfect without cracks!!! the rest have the hairline cracks but for the most part only 1 tab broken! I will post the resto in the resto forum soon.

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I'm seriously drooling over this. Early Keller 3 ply shells with the modern bearing edge. Awesome find!
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Thanks Tommy! I'm drooling too but there is a lot of work to get this baby back to its glory [sign in to see URL] the fun. Another [sign in to see URL] is the Tom mount on the bass drum so close to the edge? Usually I see the mount mounted towards the middle.
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Do not replace any hardware with new stuff from the store, original is always best. A lot of collectors/buyers want the washers etc to look undisturbed, and that includes having the grey powder on them. For them, the higher the level of originality, the better. Some guys don't believe in removing the lugs to clean the drums either. This school of thought wants them totally undisturbed since they left the factory.
Personally, I don't have a problem with disassembling a drum to detail it, as long as all of the original parts are put back on (excluding those that are broken of course).

I don't usually make any effort to clean the washers or screws, they go back the way they were. Some folks polish them to look like new, others frown on that practice.
If the drum is really extra nice to start with, I try to disturb as little as possible. If it's in bad shape, then it gets a good going over.

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Do not replace any hardware with new stuff from the store, original is always best. A lot of collectors/buyers want the washers etc to look undisturbed, and that includes having the grey powder on them. For them, the higher the level of originality, the better. Some guys don't believe in removing the lugs to clean the drums either. This school of thought wants them totally undisturbed since they left the factory.
Personally, I don't have a problem with disassembling a drum to detail it, as long as all of the original parts are put back on (excluding those that are broken of course).

I don't usually make any effort to clean the washers or screws, they go back the way they were. Some folks polish them to look like new, others frown on that practice.
If the drum is really extra nice to start with, I try to disturb as little as possible. If it's in bad shape, then it gets a good going over.



I'm with Dan on this, for the most part. Dan once respectfully berated me for wanting to disassemble and clean the very minor rust off of the interior screws of an otherwise undisturbed "time machine" Wildwood Powertone. I took his advice and left the interior undisturbed, and simply polished the exterior.

In your case, however, you have B&B lugs to deal with, as well as pitted chrome. Big problem there. You will need to remove and repair or replace the bad lugs. If you wish to disassemble the good lugs also, there is the likelihood of the tabs breaking as you remove the screws. I would say the chance is roughly 50% on your drums as pictured.

To make this a museum piece--which would be unplayable--you would need to replace all the lugs with uncracked originals, and bring the chrome back to perfection. And you'd likely have to replace some pitted rims and lugs. The cost here would be considerable, and the shells would also need to be near perfect. Are they?

From what I see, the best approach, IMHO, is to consider your drums to be a "player's kit." Therefore, removing, cleaning, polishing, repairing and replacing parts to your heart's content is the way to go. You would advertise it as a restored and reinforced, ready-to-gig 3 ply Cleveland Rogers drum set looking clean inside and out.

That's the way I'd go.

I did this with my blue sparkle Headliner that I've owned since new, and which was abused over the years. I still gig it regularly.

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[sign in to see URL] for all the info and great work on the kit there! This will be a players kit for [sign in to see URL] are a few issues with the wrap and of course the rusty chrome. Should I address every lug as far a beefing them up with the epoxy? I have enough non cracked Tom lugs to do the floor first but should I beef up all of them? Also I have a piece of the wrap on the floor Tom that is tearing (cracked) running horizontal to the shell about 3" from the bearing edge. The wrap has shrunk so there is no way of trying to glue it back unless I cut vertically at the start of the tear and just have. 1/16" gap at the vertical cut. I will post a pic soon I'm on my cell and can't post a pic. Thanks for all the help from everyone. Damien
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I started a thread in the restoration forum so I have a pic of the cracked wrap there. emoticon
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[sign in to see URL] for all the info and great work on the kit there! This will be a players kit for [sign in to see URL] are a few issues with the wrap and of course the rusty chrome. Should I address every lug as far a beefing them up with the epoxy? I have enough non cracked Tom lugs to do the floor first but should I beef up all of them? Also I have a piece of the wrap on the floor Tom that is tearing (cracked) running horizontal to the shell about 3" from the bearing edge. The wrap has shrunk so there is no way of trying to glue it back unless I cut vertically at the start of the tear and just have. 1/16" gap at the vertical cut. I will post a pic soon I'm on my cell and can't post a pic. Thanks for all the help from everyone. Damien



I'm not an expert on cracked wraps. However, on the B&Bs, my take is that a perfect lug on a player's kit will crack sooner than later. Better address the future problem now: reinforce all of the lugs, including the good ones. I've heard of stories where the tabs break off in the middle of a show, and the lug suddenly sticks out of the shell at a 45 degree angle.

Personally, I'm not interested in playing a "time bomb" at any gig. And your drums, being three ply Kellers with the 45 degree bearing edge, make them a modern kit for today's music. Reinforce those lugs and you have one of THE KILLER drum sets for everyday gigging.

I seriously envy you!
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What a find! That kit will look stellar once you've cleaned it up. Enjoy!
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