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English Rogers? Few Questions


I came across an English Rogers, and I just don't know what to make of them, as I know nothing about them.

Are they valued higher than American Rogers?

Are they rare? I would assume they are, being from another country and all.

Are they the same quality as their American counterparts? After reading on here, it seems maybe they aren't.

Here's the kit by the way.

I may be interested in buying it, but if one of you bought it first, I wouldn't be offended.


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DW Maple 13/16/18/24 - 6.5x14 - 6.5x14 1mm SS - 6x10 Popcorn
PDP Platinum 12/16/22 - 6.5x14 20 ply Maple/Bubinga
Rogers 9/72 Koa 13/14/16/18/24
Sabian 15 Hats - 18 & 19 Crash - 21 Ride - 36 Gong
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-"This is a very Rare kit. its all original... no extra holes, mods or tears.
Tom mount and bass drumm cymbal stand are included."-

Bigger pics from the e-mail:
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DW Maple 13/16/18/24 - 6.5x14 - 6.5x14 1mm SS - 6x10 Popcorn
PDP Platinum 12/16/22 - 6.5x14 20 ply Maple/Bubinga
Rogers 9/72 Koa 13/14/16/18/24
Sabian 15 Hats - 18 & 19 Crash - 21 Ride - 36 Gong
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This is a beautiful example of an English Rogers drumset. Looks to be in wonderful condition with a great English Rogers wrap on it. I would bet it's later than 1963 though unless it's very late 63. Rogers didn't introduce the beavertail lugs until very late 63. I'm sure Nutbox will chime in on this one with some expert info.

Jack
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Hi Dexplosion, and thanks for posting this. I think it may be the one that belongs to the guy that Rogerso' knows. (there can't be that many like this in the US.)

As Jack says it looks like a good one and it is later than 63 it would be 1965-67.

The Grey Ripple wrap is very prone to fade but doesn't look too bad in these photos. Even when it does fade it still looks cool. Grey Ripple was the most popular wrap.

The collet plate on the bass drum with the tom arm in it has been changed to an angled one. Originally there would have been a straight collet there. So, there may be some opening up of the big hole underneath.

The most notable thing about this set is the snare. I've never seen a English Rogers wood snare with beavertail lugs. They do exist but must be very rare as only heard of them. Never seen one with an elongated throw which is good to see, but then if you look close is that a B&B lug hiding behind the throw in your second photo down? It looks like he has taken a B&B snare and added beavertails which means that there will be drilling. There also look like there are cast hoops on the snare which won't be original. If that set was in the UK I'd be asking questions about the snare drum everything else looks as you would expect.

As for quality I doubt there is much between the UK and US drums, but value is a different question cos most peoples attitude, understandably, is that they are just not real Rogers. Hardware is all similar, the shells are Birch but nicely made. The asking price of $1000 seems high. In the UK I would say £400 which is about $600. If the snare IS original then that would be a different thing. Would be interesting to see some more photos of the snare inside and out.


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Really nice looking kit. It doesn't look to me like there is a B&B lug on the snare, but you never know. If you notice in one of the pics there is a Rogers shell in the background with no lugs, so it is possible that some of the lugs on the English kit may not be original.

Are you in the area to be able to check it out in person?
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quote:

drummertom wrote:
Are you in the area to be able to check it out in person?



No, but you are. emoticon

Thanks for the info guys.

I think I'll pass on them.



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DW Maple 13/16/18/24 - 6.5x14 - 6.5x14 1mm SS - 6x10 Popcorn
PDP Platinum 12/16/22 - 6.5x14 20 ply Maple/Bubinga
Rogers 9/72 Koa 13/14/16/18/24
Sabian 15 Hats - 18 & 19 Crash - 21 Ride - 36 Gong
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Drummertom, the lug I meant was the one on the far left here and I think you are correct .........................

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it is possible to see the faint line that beavertail lugs have down their sides. I'd still want to see additional photos if it were my money.

It is even conceivable that the cast hoops could be original. Right towards the end of English Rogers production Ajax appear to have collaborated with Premier and some sets have Premier parts. They could be Premier cast hoops. They could easily be replaced.

I think this is the same set ......................

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Do I see a straight collet becoming an angled collet?


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Nutbox,

It does look like a straight collet on there now. Where did that other pic come from?
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Rogersoholic put that bottom picture up on here a year or two ago.

I've emailed the seller to see if he would take an offer just on the snare but I've asked for photos as well so we will see.

I think he listed this set awhile back and it must not have sold.

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Nope, the guy wants to keep the set together. You have to respect that sentiment. He says the drums are all drilled for Beavertails.
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