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Hex legs are the normal Swivomatic legs on that drum. The color sounds like Red Onyx. That serial puts the drum at 1963 as stated, maybe a little later.

If the wrap isn't cracked, that drum is worth about $400 in good shape: need pictures to see condition: condition is everything.

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Hi guys: new to ROF. Recently purchased a nice mixed Cleveland/Dayton Holiday kit. Could someone help me date it?
8x12 #11297 (Cleveland tag)
9x13 #20094 (Dayton tag)
16x16 #9453 (Cleveland)
5x14 Matching Powertone wood #16545 (Cleveland)
14x20 #53992 (Cleveland)
14x22 #63384 (Dayton)
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I Assume your response was to my (Ddot384) post. If so then thank you for the info. The more I learn it seems the more questions I have. Since Rogers Catalog and sales cycle was based on the school year instead of the calendar year, would it stand to reason that the Fullerton 9/72 labels represented Month and Year (September 1972) that they started that label numbering convention? Also, does anyone have any idea what the ending serial numbers in the Fullerton powertone line would have been prior to the 9/72 numbering convention. Based on the latest drum dating guide the 1970 move to Fullerton resulted in Holiday number change from 1969 110xx to 1970 10xxx-12xxx while the powertones continued the 1969 Dayton number sequence. However, the guide also shows that Holiday changed to powertone with new numbering sequence beginning with 01xxc in 1970. Hmmm... Which number sequence was actually being used on the powertones then, or were there two different sequences in use from 1970 until the 9/72 labeling convention? Also did the Holiday drums just stop production in favor of the powertones as the go forward model, or did that production line continue but was labeled as powertone from 1970 on? Too many questions. Thanks in advance to anyone who may shed some light on this!

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original outfit 20" Zildian medium Sizzle
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Be careful using the dating guide, some inconsistencies there and also missing info: it was originally put together a long time ago and a lot of new info has been uncovered since then.

9/72 tags are assumed to have started in, what else, 9/72! They have their own numbers, no relation to what came before.

The Holiday labels went away around 1970, all were switched to Powertone. The drums were the same. There were a couple series of Powertone numbers, some on tags with green ink, some starting with zeroes. Trying to sequence all of these in some logical order doesn't work because I believe some of the different tags and numbering sequences were used at the same time.

The most important clues are always assembly details.

Truth be told, there really aren't many differences from 70-72, or until 1975 for that matter. At that point the drums still remained the same, but the Swivo hardware and script badges went away, while the Memriloc hardware and Big R badges came in. Thru the 70's, finishes came and went but everything else stayed. The drums remained the same even then, until 1979 when the XP8 series came along. Big changes there...




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Thanks for the insight Dan1C. I really appreciate it. I plan on posting some pics soon and when I do perhaps I can email you so you can review. I think because these are red (sparkle pearl), white (marine pearl), and blue (sparkle pearl) they must have been special order and are not a catalog item. Not sure if that makes them more or less valuable but I have always enjoyed their look and just assumed there were not many like it! Thanks again.

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Red speckle, WMP, & Blue speckle original outfit Fullerton PowerTones:
2 Ea. 14" Hi-Hat & 1 Ea. 18" Medium Crash
original outfit Rogers SS by Azco of Canada
original outfit 20" Zildian medium Sizzle
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Hex legs are the normal Swivomatic legs on that drum. The color sounds like Red Onyx. That serial puts the drum at 1963 as stated, maybe a little later.

If the wrap isn't cracked, that drum is worth about $400 in good shape: need pictures to see condition: condition is everything.



Thanks for the info!!! I put it up on ebay and there is a link to some pictures of it in the description....

Holiday Red Onyx 16" Floor Tom Cleveland 1963

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Hi guys: new to ROF. Recently purchased a nice mixed Cleveland/Dayton Holiday kit. Could someone help me date it?
8x12 #11297 (Cleveland tag)
9x13 #20094 (Dayton tag)
16x16 #9453 (Cleveland)
5x14 Matching Powertone wood #16545 (Cleveland)
14x20 #53992 (Cleveland)
14x22 #63384 (Dayton)
Thanks,
Hugh (Mike/Cozy57)



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Hi all: I posted the above information several days ago and got no replies. Did I post it incorrectly? If so, please let me know how to repost. Mostly, I'd love someone to identify why the 9x13 tom has a speckled grey interior with hex head slotted screws, a Dayton Tower tag crossed out with black marker, Holiday handwritten in, and serial # 20094, which places it in 1961 according to the most recent updated Dating Guide. That would be imposible since 1961 was Cleveland and flat grey paint, based on what I've learned here. Thanks for any help.
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When they use old tags and cross them out, the serial numbers mean nothing. Same situation with a tag that was blank and has the model name typed in, the serial means nothing.

That 13" with the speckled paint, depending on assembly details, could have made from 1967 to 1969.

And that 12" and 16" have numbers that are way off as well. Blank tags on those ? If they are flat grey beavertails, most likely are Cleveland or perhaps very early Dayton.

The snare and 2 basses have numbers that make sense. The 20 being a late Cleveland and the 22 being an early Dayton.

The 13" may have been a replacement or an addition to the kit later on.

Pictures, [sign in to see URL] inside of the tubs tells the tale.




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Dan, thanks for the reply. I will submit pics soon.
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Greetings. First time here, first post, and first time into the world of Rogers, which I know very little of. Very close to purchasing a 20,12,14 kit and would like to find out what year drums these were made.

All have Cleveland paper tags with crossed out tower, and holiday printed upper left corner, and are as follows: 10853 bd. 10922 small tom. 11058 floor tom. Apologies for the small size photos.

Hope I provided enough details, and thanks in advance for your help/advice.

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