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That would be cool. Jack is also planning to talk to Cathy sometime...
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Dan--what the heck are you doing up so late? Night owl! I'm guessing you had a gig and came home wired. emoticon It's 1:20 here, and I check the forum before heading to bed!
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Tom, I will be near some of this era Rogers tonight. I will be back on line later to add some serial numbers for comparrison. I hope Dan chimes in with the list that was in progress. It would be a shame for that info. to be lost. This site would be the ideal place to post it for all to learn from. Even though not a definate way to determine year it helps to compare what surfaces to what has surfaced. Fun stuff-Rogers dig!

Peace, Gary
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Tom, What we have to keep in mind is that the different models: Spotlight, Holiday, etc. didn't start the race in the same order or quantity. 4 digit Spotlights snares were made the same time 5 digit Holiday toms and snare drums. Some other examples of purple diamond (color with either an eagle badge or the 2 earlier odd scipt logos)documented shows:

eagle badge drums:
3x13 classmate #461X
5x14 luxor #339X
9x13 holiday #13,27X
14x22 holiday #13,82X
14x20 banner #385X

1st odd script (pirate R):makes sense now that we see these #s earlier than the next batch with other odd scripts.
8x12 holiday #12,60X
5x14 holiday #13,06X

2nd odd script drums:
14x20 holiday #1344X
14x20 holiday #14,36X
8x12 holiday #14,36X
16x16 holiday#1436X
5x14 holiday #13,32X
16x16 holiday #13,70X
9x13 holiday #13,79X
5x14 holiday #14,50X

Peace, Gary



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Gary, this is a wealth of information, thanks!

Okay, so you show an odd script (non-pirate?) 16x16 Holiday floor tom with S/N 1436X. Mine is a Holiday Eagle, S/N 12529.

It adds up. Now the mystery of matching an old tom to a 2-3 years newer snare...or is it? Pirate Spotlight with S/N 8962. This particular model rarely shows up. But the Pirate badge is from around 1959 and went through 61 or 62, correct? So could these possibly be a matched set, with one of the last Eagle badges being used on the tom, and one of the first Pirates being used on the snare?

Another important point: The mahogany wrap is the same shade and patina on both drums. Grains are similar, too.

The mysteries continue...


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Tom, The 2 odd script logos were 1959-60. The regular script logo is seen in the 1962 catalog for the first time. I believe the 2 odd scripts were used as early as 1958 (seen on drums until they ran out)for a short while and when that new script logo was decided as the best design it was displayed and used proudly for the next 10yrs.. This odd scripts and end of eagle badge era for Rogers was a special time. Not tops in the drum market just yet. But with the intro of Swivomatic hardware came logo changes as well.

 I would date the regular script to the year before the 1962 catalog in 1961. The first Dynas had the regular script logos. I have never seen a Dynasonic snare with one of the 2 odd scripts. The 1962 catalog also shows some odd script drum but I believe these were stock catalog pics that were used to show the line. The Holiday models were high in serial numbers because they were the most common being made at the time. Spotlight or Classmate had lower numbers due to lesser production. Not sure where they started which model in serial number either. Like the Dynas start at 1000. etc.

The odd scripts and eagle badges are found on the same "matched" factory built kits around this time. Common for this early Swivo era. enough rant. Hope this adds some clarity. Peace, Gary

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Thanks, Gary. With your input, I'm inclined to believe that this is a matched set, dating back to 58 or 59, with the Eagle badge on the tom pointing to earlier rather than later.
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Tom, I'd say you are correct on those years. There is no Swivomatic in the 1957 lit. in print. 1958 was Swivo time for eagle badged drums. Some sense can be made from serial numbers. But there are always exceptions found. Good stuff! Peace, Gary
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I think the earlier Eagles had chrome gromets. My PDP snare w/3 digit has a chrome gromet not the more common copper plated version as seen on 4 digit models. Im not familiar with the luxors models, but would seem apparent only by the lower serial number.
I really dont see enough odd scripts for comparision, but I see we are getting closer all the time to dating these.
I also notice TK, the bolts on that floor tom nobbie, hang over the sides of the plate. Worth investigating to see if they are round vrs the square cut holes and to see if the extra holes were added to a 2 bolt plate. Ive havnt seen these plates before with 2 bolts or ones like TK has with the bolts like that. Definatly everly swivo tho. I'll bet this was right around around the time those tounged hangers with swivo balls were made too.

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Great eye, Rogers-o!!! I will take pics when I get these apart...That 2 bolt thing has me interested.
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