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Here is the link ..............

Blue Glitter Tiger Stripe

This is the link to the only other that we are aware of on the ROF .........
Winnie's Tiger Glitter
...............Winnie is a collector from Amsterdam. Dave Seville said that Winnie sold this kit on at the UK Drum Fair a couple of years ago.

It is interesting that the only two examples have turned up in the Netherlands and Scandinavia. Is that a coincidence, or was this wrap some kind of export special. An ER turns up on ebay in the UK every 3-4 weeks and I,ve never seen a Tiger stripe. It does look as though it was very late. Borsaida's drums are end of 1966. I have yet to come across a number from 1967. Opinion is that Ajax stopped producing ER in 1967.
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Sorry Winnie's link .....................

Winnie's Tiger Glitter
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Oh no, it just got worse. I've just noticed that those pictures show two small toms, a 12 and a 13 by the looks of it. So now it's a Londoner 5 Tiger Stripe, which accounts for the extra collet on the bass drum. How much better could it be?emoticon I might as well take all mine out and burn them. emoticon
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Hi Borsaida, in all the excitement I missed your question about the mix of "Swiv-o-matic" and "Rogers" collet plates.
Ajax made collet plates with "Swiv-o-matic" stamped on them. They were not only on English Rogers but also offered as an option on Ajax's other ranges of drums, and I think that may be why they used "Swiv-o-matic" rather than "Rogers".
The knobby tom leg fittings would always say "Rogers" and probably got shipped over from the US starting in about 1963.
I noticed that one or two of your collet plates do say "Rogers". It may be that one of the collets broke at some point and a previous owner replaced the collet with the nearest thing available which would be a USA collet. Contrary to what you might read elsewhere they are reasonably compatible.
It would be interesting to see a photo of the inside of your bass drum to see how the collet plates are mounted, or to be more specific how that extra one on top is mounted.
Do you know any of the history of your kit, like who owned it, where they got it from? Come to that where did you find it and if you don't mind saying, how much you paid, and more importantly how much are you going to sell it to me for? emoticon emoticon
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Thank you for all good information.
I keep my fingers cross that´s not a re-wrap. As I could see it´s exactly the same wrap as the drums from Holland.

This is fun!!!

N B, I´ll be back in the evening with new photos and answers of your questions.
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Ok here we go.
It´s the same link as before just added new pictures at same address:

http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/borsaida/

Can someone help me with wich front BD-logo that were used on this drums.

The history is very short. The guy I bought the drums from bought them 11 years ago in a swedish music store in a town called Lund. He just played them a few times and got tired so the drums ended up in a garage.

The price is a secret because it all depends how you calculate, there were other things included, cymbals etc.
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Hi Borsaida, this is the most commonly seen ER bass logo ..............

Image

I have scanned this into my computer and I'm working on repairing the image so that I can print it onto plastic film. I'll let you know when I get done.

That wrap is original. There can be no doubt. That floor tom seam is just as you would expect.

The mounting of the collects is unusual. ER did use a wood re-enforcement plate but it didn't usually look like that. However the adjacent hole for the collet looks professional enough.

It is very unusual to find a kit with two small toms. Your kit was produced at a time when Ajax had started to produce Ajax Nu-Sound and they were available with two mounted toms. So things were changing, so maybe yours came out the factory like that or yours could have been a special order. It may have been the dealer who fitted the extra tom. It would be interesting to see under the washers and that wooden plate. There should have been a chromed logo in that position. If the two holes for the logo are missing then I think we could say that the extra collet was fitted in the factory. I know that is a lot of work and you may not be bothered, but that is the kind of stuff that floats my boat anyway.
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Two new pictures same album.
http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/borsaida/

It seems like there have been a logo there before because parts of the nails are still attached. But why have they made another tom instead of another floor tom?
Another question is the T-rod original?
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Hi Borsaida, that T is not original. Is that just an odd one or the only one you have? I am still looking for a few myself so I can't help with that but they do turn up from time to time on eBay in the UK. Actually search for seller "Stainless1955", his name is Richard, someone else here has had some from him lately.

My guess is that the extra tom was added by the shop/store. Those nails are the pins which were part of the casting of the logo. I've seen much worse jobs. To have a Tiger Stripe kit is one thing but to find a matching 13x9 would surely be impossible for anyone but the agent so I would guess it was the agent.

This is the factory plate .........Image

If that was mine I would go for an extra mounted tom in preference to another floor tom, so if you don't like it,sell it to me (did I say that already?). emoticon emoticon I will stop eventually, honestly.

Do you have all the hardware? - the t rods, tom arms etc, or have they been lost? Those are original rubbers on the tom legs by the way, an the same can be bought from a guy on eBay.
Leg rubbers
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I have 8 original T-rods and claws and 8 others not original, only one tom-arm (missing some screws) and one arm for at cowbell or something. I can take pictures if you like.

Yes I´ll sell it to you or trade, this is not joke.
I´m not a collector just a drummer that loves Rogers.

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