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Thanks for that guys.
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Most of my B&B Lugs had the tabs slightly bent inward and a few were almost gone. Therefore, with the U-shaped Speed Nut fit nicely without any area going into the drum.
I used the type of expoxy you knead, and it just wouldn't stick to my lugs. When using the cold weld, I used the quick setting for getting them in place and then the longer process for a better hold.
Overall I'd say I've used a bit of each and so far the lugs are holding. I didn't have a whole lot of lugs that had missing tabs, so maybe that is why I was better off.
I'm like others and just glad to get the set back together!!
Hopefully next week I'll have it all back together and will post photos.
Thanks again for all the help on the forum!
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Definately looking forward to seeing your pics, mhdrummer.
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B&B LUG REPAIR & SWIVOMATIC RESTORATION UPDATE:

Last weekend I spent some time tuning and inspecting 'ol Stew McGoo, my beloved Parklane cocktail outfit with the repaired B&B lugs.

It is worthy to note that this drum set has been gigged on average twice weekly at three to four hours per night since February of this year, so we're approaching the one year anniversary of its resurrection. The drum set is not a showroom beauty queen, although from about six inches away, it's a dazzler. And wherever it goes, it gets people talking.

This is a 1960 drum set equipped with numerous Swivo-gizmos with noisemakers attached. Everything rests on the three 20" floor tom legs, one of which has the period caster.

Here are the results of almost 11 months of use: NO CHANGE!

The B&B lugs with cracks that were repaired using the described method are 100% intact.

The swivo fittings and knobbies are holding up perfectly. I put some anti-seize on the threads of the Swivo tom and snare fittings, and it keeps the Swivos from becoming stuck in place. I also use those magical "mock Memriloc" hex collet rings that make setup and breakdown a snap. (You can get them from a specialty hardware store).

So here's my final take: I doubt that I will ever, ever buy or play a "new, modern" drum set. No need. The Rogers Swivomatic drums with B&B lugs--specifically my pride and joy, Stew McGoo--are worthy of professional playing again, after restoration from many, many years of a hard-played youth in another lifetime.

Oh, okay. There's certainly room for the XP8s in this discussion about never needing a new drum set again. But that's for another thread about playing in a LOUD music hall.

In the meantime, B&B lugs, rock! Yeah, baby!

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It's now three months since my last post. The B&B lugs are holding up splendidly. That's over a year of hard use on the repaired lugs.

I'm convinced that the repair with Propoxy20 makes even cracked lugs stronger than new, and they are much, much less expensive than buying the Petty repros. Also, it is difficult, if not impossible to see the cracks without a magnifying glass.
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Okay, B&B lug fans, another year has gone by since my last post.

The repaired B&B lugs on Stew McGoo have been under tension (ready to play) for two full years now. None have shown signs of cracking since the repairs were made.

I set Stew McGoo up last night and gave him a tuneup, as I will be playing him at a birthday party tomorrow night. Can't wait!

Pics from last summer of the current configuration. The Rogers Parklane cocktail outfit, consisting of 12 & 16 toms and 5x14 Holiday snare makes a very compact "mock 4-piece" drum set.

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tommykat1 - I have read your information on repairing B&B lugs. Most of the examples shown are lugs that accept two tension rods. Will your process work on the B&B lugs that only have the one tension rod? The lugs I have are in near mint condition with both tabs and no cracks. I think I would rather put the extra work into the original lugs than buying the JP steel lugs. What do you (or any other Rogers experts) think about trying to beef up the single tension rod lugs? Will this work as well as on the double rod lugs? Thanks.
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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! I've always wanted to say that. It's true, I would use the TK method to prevent future breakage.
I would think it would work as well with single as well as double lugs. I'll let TK respond to that.

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quote:

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tommykat1 - I have read your information on repairing B&B lugs. Most of the examples shown are lugs that accept two tension rods. Will your process work on the B&B lugs that only have the one tension rod? The lugs I have are in near mint condition with both tabs and no cracks. I think I would rather put the extra work into the original lugs than buying the JP steel lugs. What do you (or any other Rogers experts) think about trying to beef up the single tension rod lugs? Will this work as well as on the double rod lugs? Thanks.



HotPotDavid, by all means, it works on both types. In fact, the single tension lugs are easier to repair, since you only have one end to work on. (Note that I repaired the floor tom which has this type of lug.) The difficulty in the effort is in using the "stenciling tool" that essentially pushes excess epoxy putty out of the way and also creates a space for the lugnut to fit inside.

Keep this in mind if you want to reinforce perfectly good lugs:

The Good--
1) The reinforced lugs will likely last forever. I have well over two years on my cracked and repaired lugs under tension with no problems.

The Bad--
1) Reinforcing perfect, authentic lugs will most certainly degrade the value if you ever plan to resell the drums.
2) You risk screwing up a perfectly good lug if you make a mistake in the cold weld process. I recommend practicing on a really badly cracked lug to get the feel of it. I ruined my first one before I figured out the need for the stenciling tool.
3) There is the theory that Joe Thompson preferred the drawn brass material to give a "little brass bell" ringing effect through the hollow of the B&B lugs. So, when you strengthen a lug, you will certainly lose the "little brass bell" effect. (This being said, I honestly can't tell the difference. Also, the Petty lugs, being made of steel, won't have the ringing effect either.)

So, what's the logical answer? Buy yourself a set of cheap, broken lugs on eBay. Repair these lugs and swap them for the good ones. Put the good ones away in your safe deposit box, as they are like gold. If/when you sell your drums, you can offer the buyer both a set of drums for immediate gigging, and also a set of perfect, extremely rare lugs to brag about.
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OK, I believe that the "little brass bell" theory is more fiction than fact. I changed out B&B's for beavetails (shame emoticon ) and there is no difference in sound, period!

However, the B&B's are without a doubt the most beautiful lugs ever made! Have you ever seen an early Rogers COB snare with B&B lugs!!!! Takes my breath away!

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