Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired! https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/t2642 Runboard| Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired! en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 05:00:14 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 05:00:14 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45847,from=rss#post45847https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45847,from=rss#post45847UPDATE: 8 years on the B&B repairs, no issues! nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Sat, 02 Apr 2016 14:13:51 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45330,from=rss#post45330https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45330,from=rss#post45330Sorry I forgot to use the get notification when someone replies tab nondisclosed_email@example.com (grunta57)Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:40:55 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45328,from=rss#post45328https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45328,from=rss#post45328Hi I'm repairing these lugs using glass fibre and epoxy and can insert special thread inserts as well. Essentially you can build a shell within a shell to take the load off the real outer shell. I need some broken lugs to work on so if any of you forum members out there have any spare broken ones (particularly ones with broken off tabs) please let me know by PM thanksnondisclosed_email@example.com (grunta57)Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:32:53 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45003,from=rss#post45003https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p45003,from=rss#post45003UPDATE: seven years on the repaired B&B lugs, no issues. I'm playing out my beloved Parklane cocktail outfit, aka "Stew McGoo," regularly again in a cool three piece dinner band. Loving it, and Stew always gets great comments, because he looks so freaking cool! As always, these drums are stored under tension, ready to play. nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:18:34 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p43882,from=rss#post43882https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p43882,from=rss#post43882SIX YEARS in February 2014 on the Propoxy20 B&B lug repair method. No issues! BTW, I've been using my red sparkle Holiday snare with the repairs for rehearsal, so it gets played even more than the other drums. nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:41:45 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p42003,from=rss#post42003https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p42003,from=rss#post42003FIVE YEARS ON REPAIRED B&B LUGS It has been five years and my 1960 B&B lugged Rogers Parklane, aka "Good 'ol Stew McGoo" is still intact. There is no sign of any lug failure or additional cracking from the Propoxy20 repair method. And remember, these drums are stored under tension. The snare lugs, in particular, are highly tightened as any modern snare would be. Just ask Jack Souligny, our illustrious owner of the ROF! Here is a pic of Jack on Stew in February, right around the five year anniversary of the repairs. nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:03:44 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p38849,from=rss#post38849https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p38849,from=rss#post38849B&B REPAIRED LUG UPDATE: As you may have noticed, I come back to this thread yearly to update B&B users on my repaired B&B lugs. Once again, after four years and two months, the lugs are holding up perfectly. I play my Rogers Parklane--aka "Stew McGoo"--regularly, and keep it stored under tension. Note that Rogers-O is experimenting with the use of fiberglass cloth and resin. This actually might be easier to do, and may also actually be as effective. At this juncture, however, it appears that I will never have to worry about my B&Bs again. But if I need to repair another kit, I might try using fiberglass. Here's Stew McGoo today. Gotta be the funkiest drum set ever. Always a head turner, and it's as good for rock 'n roll as it is for a nice quiet dinner set: nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:28:48 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35960,from=rss#post35960https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35960,from=rss#post35960Amos, yes, I hand sanded and was very careful. Fortunately, I got the edges right, because the drum tunes up properly and sounds excellent.nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:48:37 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35916,from=rss#post35916https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35916,from=rss#post35916Tommy, I just got a set of Blue Sparkle '59 B&B drums. The bearing edge on the bd looks similar to your tom. Not wanting to destroy the edge, what did you do to bring it back. Just light sanding? Yes pictures will be coming when the project is done. The floor tom has 4 swivomounts added. Not by the factory, so some finesse is necessary there as well.nondisclosed_email@example.com (amosguy)Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:08:38 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35092,from=rss#post35092https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35092,from=rss#post35092Excellent job, sir!!nondisclosed_email@example.com (JohnPloughman)Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:27:55 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35085,from=rss#post35085https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35085,from=rss#post35085It's the third anniversary of my initial restoration of Stew McGoo (Parklane Cocktail Outfit), and it's now complete with an authentic peanut lug B&B 12" tom. Ouch! the tom arrived from the Bay with unexpected issues. The seller didn't disclose the bearing edge damage! Still, I've waited for three years for one of these to appear I strengthened the little peanut lugs using the tried-and-true Propoxy 20 repair method described on this thread. It's been successful these three years running--no lug cracks. It's labor intensive, about a half hour per lug. These had no cracks, but I want to be sure they last a lifetime, since I play Stew McGoo regularly. nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:08:09 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35023,from=rss#post35023https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p35023,from=rss#post35023Great post! I also really, really like TommyKat's cocktail kit! nondisclosed_email@example.com (bigtone23)Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:41:36 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33123,from=rss#post33123https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33123,from=rss#post33123It was a tough decision as to which color to choose. I've always been partial to the WMP but hesitated because I had seen too many faded yellowed sets. The wrap has held its color really well. I am very pleased. Glad you liked them. Thanks, David.nondisclosed_email@example.com (HotpotDavid)Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:36:38 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33117,from=rss#post33117https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33117,from=rss#post33117Beautiful Ludies! Love WMP wrap! Jack nondisclosed_email@example.com (musicbybj)Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:56:41 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33116,from=rss#post33116https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33116,from=rss#post33116TK and BJ - thanks for the info. My wife can sell my Rogers when I am dead and gone but as long as I am breathing they will be mine to enjoy! Each time I post something on the ROF it seems I always get info that makes me think further and dig deeper. I am going to have to seriously consider what to do. I have enough good B&Bs to do the small tom and one side of the bass so I only need 24 more lugs to complete the project- the other side of the bass and the floor tom. It is a shame the B&Bs weren't a better built lug. This will make the second time I replaced them and really don't want to put on another good set and have them break too. On the other hand I would like to have my drums looking as they did when new. Life is short and I believe in enjoying it as much as I can. Having the B&Bs on my set would make me happy and I really don't care how much money is paid for the drums when I'm gone. I will probably do the repairs but planning on giving it more thought. Again, thanks for the info. I have learned a lot from reading many of the posts on the ROF and am grateful to everyone who supplies info for the rest of us. I recently added photos of my 83 Ludwig WMP Big Beat set on my website. If you would like to see them go to - http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotpotdavid/sets/ Thanks again, Davidnondisclosed_email@example.com (HotpotDavid)Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:52:39 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33112,from=rss#post33112https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33112,from=rss#post33112quote:musicbybj wrote: OK, I believe that the "little brass bell" theory is more fiction than fact. I changed out B&B's for beavetails (shame ) and there is no difference in sound, period! However, the B&B's are without a doubt the most beautiful lugs ever made! Have you ever seen an early Rogers COB snare with B&B lugs!!!! Takes my breath away! Jack I concur 100%!nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:45:07 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33111,from=rss#post33111https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33111,from=rss#post33111OK, I believe that the "little brass bell" theory is more fiction than fact. I changed out B&B's for beavetails (shame ) and there is no difference in sound, period! However, the B&B's are without a doubt the most beautiful lugs ever made! Have you ever seen an early Rogers COB snare with B&B lugs!!!! Takes my breath away! Jack nondisclosed_email@example.com (musicbybj)Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:04:04 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33106,from=rss#post33106https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33106,from=rss#post33106quote:HotpotDavid wrote: tommykat1 - I have read your information on repairing B&B lugs. Most of the examples shown are lugs that accept two tension rods. Will your process work on the B&B lugs that only have the one tension rod? The lugs I have are in near mint condition with both tabs and no cracks. I think I would rather put the extra work into the original lugs than buying the JP steel lugs. What do you (or any other Rogers experts) think about trying to beef up the single tension rod lugs? Will this work as well as on the double rod lugs? Thanks. HotPotDavid, by all means, it works on both types. In fact, the single tension lugs are easier to repair, since you only have one end to work on. (Note that I repaired the floor tom which has this type of lug.) The difficulty in the effort is in using the "stenciling tool" that essentially pushes excess epoxy putty out of the way and also creates a space for the lugnut to fit inside. Keep this in mind if you want to reinforce perfectly good lugs: The Good-- 1) The reinforced lugs will likely last forever. I have well over two years on my cracked and repaired lugs under tension with no problems. The Bad-- 1) Reinforcing perfect, authentic lugs will most certainly degrade the value if you ever plan to resell the drums. 2) You risk screwing up a perfectly good lug if you make a mistake in the cold weld process. I recommend practicing on a really badly cracked lug to get the feel of it. I ruined my first one before I figured out the need for the stenciling tool. 3) There is the theory that Joe Thompson preferred the drawn brass material to give a "little brass bell" ringing effect through the hollow of the B&B lugs. So, when you strengthen a lug, you will certainly lose the "little brass bell" effect. (This being said, I honestly can't tell the difference. Also, the Petty lugs, being made of steel, won't have the ringing effect either.) So, what's the logical answer? Buy yourself a set of cheap, broken lugs on eBay. Repair these lugs and swap them for the good ones. Put the good ones away in your safe deposit box, as they are like gold. If/when you sell your drums, you can offer the buyer both a set of drums for immediate gigging, and also a set of perfect, extremely rare lugs to brag about. nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:38:00 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33105,from=rss#post33105https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33105,from=rss#post33105An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! I've always wanted to say that. It's true, I would use the TK method to prevent future breakage. I would think it would work as well with single as well as double lugs. I'll let TK respond to that. Jack nondisclosed_email@example.com (musicbybj)Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:27:11 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33104,from=rss#post33104https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p33104,from=rss#post33104tommykat1 - I have read your information on repairing B&B lugs. Most of the examples shown are lugs that accept two tension rods. Will your process work on the B&B lugs that only have the one tension rod? The lugs I have are in near mint condition with both tabs and no cracks. I think I would rather put the extra work into the original lugs than buying the JP steel lugs. What do you (or any other Rogers experts) think about trying to beef up the single tension rod lugs? Will this work as well as on the double rod lugs? Thanks. nondisclosed_email@example.com (HotpotDavid)Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:51:05 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p32145,from=rss#post32145https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p32145,from=rss#post32145Okay, B&B lug fans, another year has gone by since my last post. The repaired B&B lugs on Stew McGoo have been under tension (ready to play) for two full years now. None have shown signs of cracking since the repairs were made. I set Stew McGoo up last night and gave him a tuneup, as I will be playing him at a birthday party tomorrow night. Can't wait! Pics from last summer of the current configuration. The Rogers Parklane cocktail outfit, consisting of 12 & 16 toms and 5x14 Holiday snare makes a very compact "mock 4-piece" drum set. nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:24:56 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p27068,from=rss#post27068https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p27068,from=rss#post27068It's now three months since my last post. The B&B lugs are holding up splendidly. That's over a year of hard use on the repaired lugs. I'm convinced that the repair with Propoxy20 makes even cracked lugs stronger than new, and they are much, much less expensive than buying the Petty repros. Also, it is difficult, if not impossible to see the cracks without a magnifying glass.nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:42:11 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p24629,from=rss#post24629https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p24629,from=rss#post24629B&B LUG REPAIR & SWIVOMATIC RESTORATION UPDATE: Last weekend I spent some time tuning and inspecting 'ol Stew McGoo, my beloved Parklane cocktail outfit with the repaired B&B lugs. It is worthy to note that this drum set has been gigged on average twice weekly at three to four hours per night since February of this year, so we're approaching the one year anniversary of its resurrection. The drum set is not a showroom beauty queen, although from about six inches away, it's a dazzler. And wherever it goes, it gets people talking. This is a 1960 drum set equipped with numerous Swivo-gizmos with noisemakers attached. Everything rests on the three 20" floor tom legs, one of which has the period caster. Here are the results of almost 11 months of use: NO CHANGE! The B&B lugs with cracks that were repaired using the described method are 100% intact. The swivo fittings and knobbies are holding up perfectly. I put some anti-seize on the threads of the Swivo tom and snare fittings, and it keeps the Swivos from becoming stuck in place. I also use those magical "mock Memriloc" hex collet rings that make setup and breakdown a snap. (You can get them from a specialty hardware store). So here's my final take: I doubt that I will ever, ever buy or play a "new, modern" drum set. No need. The Rogers Swivomatic drums with B&B lugs--specifically my pride and joy, Stew McGoo--are worthy of professional playing again, after restoration from many, many years of a hard-played youth in another lifetime. Oh, okay. There's certainly room for the XP8s in this discussion about never needing a new drum set again. But that's for another thread about playing in a LOUD music hall. In the meantime, B&B lugs, rock! Yeah, baby!   nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:01:59 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17970,from=rss#post17970https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17970,from=rss#post17970Definately looking forward to seeing your pics, mhdrummer.nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:16:27 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17940,from=rss#post17940https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17940,from=rss#post17940Most of my B&B Lugs had the tabs slightly bent inward and a few were almost gone. Therefore, with the U-shaped Speed Nut fit nicely without any area going into the drum. I used the type of expoxy you knead, and it just wouldn't stick to my lugs. When using the cold weld, I used the quick setting for getting them in place and then the longer process for a better hold. Overall I'd say I've used a bit of each and so far the lugs are holding. I didn't have a whole lot of lugs that had missing tabs, so maybe that is why I was better off. I'm like others and just glad to get the set back together!! Hopefully next week I'll have it all back together and will post photos. Thanks again for all the help on the forum! mhdrummernondisclosed_email@example.com (mhdrummer)Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:47:48 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17890,from=rss#post17890https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17890,from=rss#post17890Thanks for that guys.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Nut box)Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:38:08 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17888,from=rss#post17888https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17888,from=rss#post17888The Propoxy20 is also a two step process and MUCH stronger than the JBWeld. It comes in a cylindrical tube and is kind of like a jelly roll. The hardener is in the center, and the epoxy surrounds it. You slice off a chunk, and knead it in your hands. It is like putty and can be modeled like clay. Hardens in 20 minutes, so you have time to get it into and around the lug. The JBWeld is more like a classic epoxy that will pool. It is difficult to load into the lugs without the pooling effect, and it also is just not that strong. I only use it to attach the nut, because it forms a tighter bond around the nut, and it dries in five minutes. Then I use another batch of the Propoxy20 to seal it all in. Long process, but very fulfilling. I play my Stew McGoo cocktail outfit daily, and the lugs are holding up just fine.nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:11:40 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17882,from=rss#post17882https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17882,from=rss#post17882Cold weld is an epoxy two part mix,such as JB weld. Perfect for small metal repairs when no heat can be used. Like gas tank repairs or little brass drum parts! nondisclosed_email@example.com (rogerwdowns)Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:43:29 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17864,from=rss#post17864https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17864,from=rss#post17864Nutbox, I don't think my link went far enough. Here's the "U" Fastener. It would certainly be easier using these, but they might distort the shell. It also may not matter, except for the ultra-anal! "U" Fastener nondisclosed_email@example.com (tommykat1)Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:42:58 +0000 Re: Yes! B&B Lugs CAN Be Repaired!https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17844,from=rss#post17844https://brogersownersforum.runboard.com/p17844,from=rss#post17844Great ideas, I love it. mhdrummer, can I just check that when you say "U" shaped nut , you are talking about the second item on Tommykat1's link. Also, what is cold welding? Thanks Alannondisclosed_email@example.com (Nut box)Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:33:30 +0000