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Well the snare arrived today and I have been busy taking pictures - here is the link to the photo album.

Rogers Holiday Snare Eagle badge Photo Album

Here are the characteristics"
Black flat muffler/small knob
Eagle badge
Grey Interior
Compact Strainer
Large Sized Bread & Butter Lugs
Tall Hoops
Slotted Round head lug screws
Hex nuts on the strainer anchors
Mardi Gras finish
Slight Angle cut on the edges maybe 20 - 30 degrees
Not sure but I can count 5 wood layers, including the ring

I wonder if there are any dating ideas based on this info. Such as for sure after 195X? and before 196X? Any ideas? Sounds bangy to me. I did not take off the lugs, they seemed to be pretty tight and I don't want to break anything. Will follow the instructions left for handling the B&B lugs - thanks!

Mike


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Re: New Acquistion - Older Holiday Mardi Gras Snare


Not the earlier black interior eagle with flat faced (no center ridge) lugs.

Rogers book pg118 reads:

"Black interior up until serial number #9000

from #9000 up (1959 or 1960) the interiors were painted grey."

Bruce where are you?

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Re: New Acquistion - Older Holiday Mardi Gras Snare


Gary, So 1959 - 1960, likely - I have heard about the differences between the shells, but I am not real clear.
This shell has an angled edge, maybe not 45 degrees but it is definitely angled. I thought that the older shells had flat bearing edges or rounded, is that true?

I can count 5 wood plies including the ring, does that make sense? Does that help date the drum?
Angled Edge

How Many Plies/ Layers?

I think this part of trying to determine the history is a fun problem solving exercise.

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Mike, I do not know shell construction or edges well. I was mainly into the funky pearl Rogers 50s/60s finishes. We need Bruce to further this one. I'll ask one more time...Where's Bruce? Peace, Gary
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Hey Mike & Gary,

From the mid 50s prior to serial number 95xx or so, had black interiors.

Flat gray started around 1957-8 about serial number 95xx and up.

The flat top B&B lugs (coffin style) changed to the ridged ones around 1958-9.

The Utility Strainer, Eagle badge, Jasper 3 ply shell/3 ply rings, bearing edges that are a little newer style, I think your drum was built during a high transitional period. B&B lugs style changing, Eagle badge switching to script badge, the slight change in the bearing edges, the use of the Utility strainer. I think your Holiday was assembled early 1959.

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Bruce,
Thanks for the great and comprehensive overview or this time period and drum, it is really interesting to me, and very informative. I never realized just how many changes were going on at Rogers, it is probably the beginnings of what made them such a reknown drum maker in later years.

1. As you look at the pictures of the interior of the drum do the screws and washers and nuts and the snare wires etc look to be consistent/ original to the drum?

2. For some reason I want to clean the interior and have it painted with a fresh coat of flat grey interior paint. Is that a reasonable thing to do? Or should I leave it as is???

(Can it be done by someone such as Jack Lawton and keep it consistent, like a factory job?)

Any comments or advice would be welcomed!

Thanks Mike

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You've got yourself a real nice classic Rogers snare with a beautiful finish and I wouldn't do anything to it but clean it up. Don't mess with the interior paint. I see some signs of rust inside that you might want to clean up and get the correct muffler parts but other than that I wouldn't mess with it. IMHO

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Re: New Acquistion - Older Holiday Mardi Gras Snare


Jack, Thanks for the advice. I wasn't sure if I would do it, but it is this tendency to try to clean and fix up and make it look nice.

It is really interesting to know about all the changes with the hardware and design that were going on at Rogers at the time.

Thanks for the input.

Mike
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You're welcome! Remember that if you make modifications to a collectable you reduce the value and I think this drum may not be the brightest candle on the cake but it is IMO a collectable.

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Hey Mike,

I'd leave the interior alone, just wipe it out, keep the drum in a dry location. I would clean the outside and polish all with Novus Plastic Polish #2.

I buy packages of flat cotton baby diapers for cleaning and polishing my drums.

Take some pictures of the spring and nuts you took off of the muffler and ad the pictures to your photo album. I'll look through my parts and see what I have and maybe can help you with the right parts.

Bruce
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