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I appreciate your interest!
This forum is doing a good job of collecting bits of history that should not be lost, because these fine instruments will still be in use for generations. [I hope for as long as they've been using those old Italian violins (Strata something or other, probably where Leo got the name for that guitar that still sells so well).]

- John Cermenaro
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My 1st guess was a hole jig.

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I appreciate the detailed explanation. I apologize for being a smartass. My favoriate camera is still a Canon AE-1. Took many rolls while stationed w/the Army in Germany in the mid 80s.
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quote:

JohnC 1984 wrote:

You guys are funny.
This is a weird double exposure captured the only known photo of 1981 tooling for Rogers wood snare drums.
(For the younger guys who grew up only knowing digital cameras, this picture was not Photoshop'd. Back in the olden days we used cameras that required film, and if the film didn't advanced to the next frame like it was supposed to, you'd end up taking two pictures in the same frame creating a double exposure like this one. Ordinarily, you'd throw a picture like that away. Luckily, I kept this one.)

- John Cermenaro





So what you're saying is, that this really is a UFO. It's a flying saucer over San Diego Bay, right? Am I right or what? Forget the snare drum gobblety gook, we're talking flying saucers, trailer parks and UFOs, right?
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So drilling the holes was that manual of a process? I had imagined some 6-8-10 armed adjustable apparatus that could drill any size drum, any number of lugs, all automated, etc. I guess if you were drilling thousands of drums a day, that might be how to do it.

How many toms/snares/basses per day could you make?

Was the Ohio factory also like this?

I find this very interesting.
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From the way JohnC describes it, there wasn't the money for sophisticated automated drill presses and tape lathes, etc. Probably would have required more sales--a commodity sort of thing--rather than specialized hand made drums. I get the feeling that at the time of the collapse, the lack of funding didn't allow Rogers (requiring too much paid labor) to make the leap from custom hand-built products to a commodity product.
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The snare drums were low volume.
We did have a fully automated pneumatic machine for drilling the lug holes on all the toms and bass drums.

Receiver and vent holes were drilled manually.

I used to know how many per day we built, but I'm afraid that detail has faded from memory.

I do not know what tooling they used in Ohio.

- JohnC

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TRUST NO ONE,Tommykat! It's a conspiracy,I tell you! Now we finally have clear proof~THEY have arrived!!!
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LOL! We used to do double exposure stuff with Polaroids back in the day...
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John,
I see you refer to the maple snares as 'XP10' drums. Was this name used at the plant back in the day? Or is it something you have come to use over the years?

I've never found any use of the XP10 name in any Rogers literature, only a reference to the shells being 10-ply maple in the 1983 Rogers catalog. Did the dealers refer to them this way, or the marketing reps?

And while we're on the subject of literature, was there a formal catalog published after the 1983 catalog? Or did they just use the '83 book until the end?



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