gary n
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English Rogers When?
When were Rogers offered over there? Dates? Same line ie Holiday, Powertone, Dynasonic. Outfits with same names or different???
Finishes offered what years? Pics?
50s? 60s? Up until...
Earliest logo was the odd script looking one with the line under it? Any other exterior logo versions over the years?
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Nut box
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Re: English Rogers When?
Now look, Gary, mate, if we are going to start this with "the odd script looking logo" then I'm not playing! A little respect if you please!
I use the English Rogers logo as my avatar. You are right that the English one was not so eye catching as the US one. It was cast in a very soft aluminium alloy with two pins on the back which are part of the casting, and chrome plated. One pin tended to break off, the logo would swing free and snap in the middle. They do not survive well so you are lucky if you have a drum with a logo. I have one good one (it has a slight crack and one pin missing and I count that as good). They were always mounted horizontally except for the Dynasonic when they were inclined upwards to mimic the US logo.
Not aware that any other logo was ever used. When you see an Ajax, Edgware or Besson kit and their logos, you can see were the English Rogers logo came from, they seem to be cast in the same manner. I assume that the underscore added some strength to the casting.
The date that ER kits were first offered is an interesting one. In Rob Cooks book Dave Seville says 1961, but later in the book Rob shows a English catalogue supposedly from 1959. Dave has written his own short history of the Rogers Drum Company in which he again says 1961. I think we have to go with 1961.
I have never seen an ER catalogue so I have no idea of what outfits were offered or if the word "Holiday" was used. They were of course B&B lug kits to begin with. The standard set would appear to be 20,12,16,14, although a 13" mounted tom and a 14" floor tom were available and a 22 was also an option (but with only 8 lugs per head). Shells were usually three ply birch with birch re'rings, and more rarely beech, with birch rings or beech rings.
As for snare drums, wood (both birch and beech shells) a simple COB and a lacquered brass snare drum were available initially, and a COB dynasonic became available some time between 1961 and 1964. I doubt that the word "Powertone" was ever used.
A big question for me is "How much of the hardware was manufactured in the UK and how much was shipped over?" Guess that will have to wait for another day.
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Now I'm answering my own question.
There is a US guy on Ebay at the moment selling two English Rogers B&B snare lugs. I have just had a mail back from him and he says he bought them for a restoration of a US drum but they don't fit. The screw centres are a little too far apart. Mine are all 1 3/4 inch apart so yours must all be slightly less?????
This is great cos it means that Ajax made their own lugs! They were not shipped over.
Might sound obvious but I am learning not to take anything for granted.
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See.. I told you.. your on your way! Your 1st research project turns up that the lugs are of a different size. Yes its true! US versions are 1 5/8" c2c. How bout some of those finishes offered?
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gary n
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Nut Box, Please do not misunderstand me when I use the word "odd." I do NOT mean that in a bad way at all. I happen to like the design of the "other" scripts that are out there than the most common US one.
We weren't told what to call the two other script logos that were made in the US for a brief time in the late 1950s. I usually refer to the odd script when mentioning that it wasn't the common looking logo that we are used to seeing 1960-1974.
I will only encourage you to share what you know and have learned from actually being there. You see more of the English Rogers than us here. Facts from first hand experience is "true knowledge" and I respect your time and information. Looking forward to more...
Peace, Gary Nelson
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I think Nut Box was havin' you on a bit Gary 
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Nutbox, sounds like the badge design with inherent weaknesses fits with other British engineering marvels like Skinner Union carburettors and fuel pumps, eh? Or how about Prince of Darkness electrics? 
(This is definitely joking material, as I am a HUGE British car fan. And we could talk all day about stubbornly sticking with B&B lugs for so long.)
Really, really glad to see this new section take off! This ought to recruit more worldwide members.
Question: Were the Rogers drums shipped to Australia English or American?
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Glad to see the English section. It needs to be here. I have an English built dyna that seems to be an assortment of American parts. The only English part is the Ajax muffler. It is without a doubt, the best playing dynasonic I own. Totally different feel and wonderful sound. Not sure why it is so different, might just be the drum.
Any prospects on having someone cast and produce a few of those script badges? Of course mine is missing on the dyna.
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Gary, sorry was definitely pulling your leg. Thought later that I should have used some smilies to properly convey tone. 
I think the usual US logo has a timeless appeal and can't be pinned down to any one era. The English one on the other hand looks very definitely 60s to me.
You can say anything you want to me about these drums. I know the the logo is quirky, the shells are a bit rough, the wraps aren't as sharp as the US ones, the Mardi Gras is decidedly inferior to its US counterpart. I am well aware of this and none of this matters a bit. I am definitely not offended.
You guys have to understand that I am just a beginner here and that some of the questions you ask I wish I knew the answers to. There is info out there presented as fact which seem doubtful to me so at the moment I prefer to be cautious and not believe what I can't see proof for. Got to go right now.
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Nutbox, this is an exciting time for you. You are quickly becoming the English Rogers expert. Isn't it cool to discover something that has been lost for years? Kind of like an archaeological expedition.
And when you start getting the fever, it's tough to put down.
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