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Rogers snare's vs other's?


Since playing the newly aquired Powertone, I've noticed some amazing things! One thing in particular is the incredible stick response. Now, it may be the head, it may be the shell construction, I don't know? Are the Dyna's, Tower's, and Powertone's similar in this way? It probably has a great deal to do with the stick operator's (definitly a lack of in my case!) abilities, and experience! emoticon Have any of you other long time drummer's noticed this about Rogers in particular, or have you noticed it as well with other good quality snare's? emoticon emoticon olddrummer
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Great question OD,

The Dyna, Powertone and SuperTen have incredible stick response and, yes, it does have a lot to do with technique but the Rogers snares have a very fast response.

I moved the post over here because I thought it had more relevance here in the snare section.

Let's get some others thoughts on this.

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Wow. I've heard a few different comments about the Super Ten. None bad or anything like that, but the comments have not had the praise that the Dyna's have had? I notice on the bay that, the Super Ten's don't demand the price of say, the Dyna's, or Powertone's? I have also heard it said that an 8 lug snare is better than a 10 lug. Better for tuning, and maby a little better sound. What do you guy's think? Your experience? emoticon emoticon olddrummer
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The SuperTen is a great snare but it is chrome over steel and that diminishes the price and the sound is different than a COB. It's a great sounding snare if you like that sound.

There is nothing that will ever compare to the COB Dyna's though, if you know how to set them up. If you don't they will give you fits.

I disagree about eight lug snares being easier to tune. I believe ten lugs are the best. You have much more fine tuning possibilty with the other two lugs.

The sound of any drum is a very personal thing.

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I think your right about the sound of the snare being a personal thing. I really like the snare sounds of the '60s and early '70s. Mostly the brits, and they were probably using mostly Ludy stuff with the advent of the Beattles. I sure like the sound of mine. From what I understand in the Rob Cook book (no pun intended) I understand that Gretsch, and Rogers used the same, or similar shell construction tequniques on there drums? I'm chommping at the bit to get the rest of the other bits to get the rest of the kit set up! emoticon olddrummer
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My one snare drum from 1979 to 1999 was a 5x14 Rogers Dynasonic. Now theres 14 snare drums in my house, and a few that have gone buy the way. I had a 1960 transition badge Ludwig downbeat in excellent condition, which I was never happy with because it just didnt have the same responsiveness of the only drum I knew at the time, my Dynasonic. Now I wish I had kept that drum. Ive also had an Ayotte Drumsmith, which was fantastic, and an Ayotte Custom 7x14, which I still have. Both drums had excellent responsiveness and were a joy to play. I wish I had not sold the Drumsmith. The Slingerland 6 lug drum I have doesnt really count in this kind of comparison. The World Max black dog 4x14 vintage, single flange with clips, black nickle shell.... it looks cool, it plays well. But to me at least, its not in the same class as a Dynasonic. Its an entirely different feel.
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I've taken two late 60s Dynasonic snare drums completely apart and re assembled them using the correct new Remo Ambassador heads top and bottom. Paid great attention to screw torque, alignment of all parts, care in making sure the snare frame assemblies were identical. Tuned them the same, and one sounds unbelievably great and the other just OK.

It's the right combination of all the parts that make great sounding snare drums.

I can generally take any Dynasonic and make it sound better. It just take time and patience.

The most basic and important thing about tuning a snare drum, is getting it to sound good as tom (no snares on the drum), if it doesn't sound good as a tom, it will never sound good as a snare.

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Longroll. Thanks for the tip on setting up a snare. Makes perfect sense to me. I think alot of times we tend to think different about something because we don't look at all the little things that make the end result/product/sound great. I've noticed that about just about everything. Am I correct in that, all drums have there own "sweet spot"? olddrummer
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quote:

olddrummer Am I correct in that, all drums have there own "sweet spot"? olddrummer



I think so, but it can change due to temp, humidity, room your playing in.

It, as most of this sound stuff is very subjective and has a great deal to do with how good of a player one is and what kind of music and the kind of sound they want.

Cymbals also have a "sweet spot", and all the above applies.


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