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Hello! Totally new to the forum. So... after doing some online searching and failing at finding answers to my questions, I'm now finding myself here. Below are some pictures of an old Rogers kit I have recently acquired.

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These were my dad's old Rogers drums. Honestly, they look to be in bad shape to me.. However, I'm a bit intrigued and curious about them.

The questions I have are:
1. What model Rogers set is this and is it a valuable model?
2. Are these too far gone or are they worth restoring?

I left the hardware in storage because I didn't have enough space in the car for it all. I did notice that all of the hardware seemed to be original though. I'm assuming that they were made in 1972 according to the badges. The BD is 22" if that helps at all. The wrap is peeling up on a few of the shells. I'm seeing some rusting here and there.. Overall, they look rough aesthetically.

Guys, I just have no clue what to do with these. If they're a desirable or rare model, I'd persue restoration options. If not (or if they're just in too rough of shape), I guess I'll get rid of them. I'd just like to know. If more pictures are required to gain more info, please let me know and I'll promptly post them. Thanks in advance for any responses and expertise!
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That wood-like wraps (sold from 68ish to 75 for Swivo-matic era) are not considered rare, so no value boost there. If you invest some time and some $$$ for cleaning supplies, the chrome might clean up better than you might think. The peeling wrap can be easily glued back (is it scratched much more than is shown?). Even if you cleaned up the chrome on the wrapped drums, I wouldn't think you could get more than 300-400 for the set. In fact, most people would probably look to buy it for the parts (something that is frowned upon here).

If you don't want to invest time in the wrapped drums, DO invest some time cleaning up the SuperTen. Others more knowledgeable than myself can give you advice on the rust removal - but the general "crud" cleans up easily after soaking in heavy-duty Dawn for many hours. (this would require taking the drum apart first). A cleaned up SuperTen might fetch between 150-250 dollars, depending on the market, and final appearance.

You didn't specify what additional hardware there is, but if it is Swivo period, and if it is cleanable, those can be sold off individually - as stands, etc, are normally worth more sold individually, rather than as a complete 'hardware pack'. But it might take many months to find individual buyers.
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Thanks tscoffey!!
The wraps are pretty good as far as scratches go. I think I'm going to glue them back as you said. Since they'd only fetch a lower price overall, I'd rather keep them and play them. Hardware wise, I didn't examine it all closely in the storage unit. I just noticed Rogers badges. I'm going to get them from the unit Sunday so I can piece it all together, closely examine, and clean em up! Overall, these sound like keepers. I'd hate to just part out something with as much age as these drums have for just for a few hundreds of $'s. I'll put in the work and use them to jam on here and there. And who knows? Maybe get a unique and cool sound for tracking! Thanks for the cleaning tips btw!

I have a final concern since I'm likely keeping them:
I'm used to drums having bottom heads... This seems like a huge undertaking in my mind. Suggestions? Or should I just google drum mods simply because that's too in depth to cover here? I ask because I'd really like to have some bottom heads on these. If it's too much of a task, I'd like to know before I get in over my head. Would you personally leave them alone and just replace the top heads? Very curious.

Let me just say, thanks again so much. It's rare that I get on a forum, so I greatly appreciate your knowledge and response.
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Also, I'll post pics of the hardware Sunday.
Again, what is the exact name of this Rogers model? Or is there not a way to truly tell?
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Welcome to the ROF emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon Glad you found us!

I think you'd be amazed at how well the chrome will clean up. If you have a laundry tub that would be the perfect place to start. Using a very strong solution of Dawn dish soap or any good dish soap, soak all of the chrome parts for as many days as needed (keep checking) and remove the parts as the rust and gunk loosens up. Dry the parts and then use a quality chrome cleaner (absolutely NO STEEL WOOL on chrome). Soak the t-rods and screws and washers also. Take the SuperTen apart and do the same to it, including all the screws and washers. Be sure to re-grease the strainer and lube all of the t-rods. Try to keep an inventory of the parts so they all go back where they belong. I use glass jars to keep the parts separated.

As far as the drums go, I would clean them first with a quality cleaner such as Meguiar's mirror glaze plastic cleaner. A lot of us here use Novus 1,2 and 3, highly recommended. Then glue any seams and clamp them. The bottom headless concert toms should sound great with that vintage Rogers sound. If you don't like that you might try to trade or sell them and find matching toms. That could take a while.

Not a whole lot of money but a lot of elbow grease. There's a great restoration forum here on the ROF so be sure to check it out for more tips.

Good luck and be sure to post pictures of the steps this restoration takes.

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9/72 was a generic tag that was used for about three or four years. I can't find a set up like yours in the Rogers catalogs, I'm guessing they were a studio 7 with some toms missing or they were a special order. Could also be a Londoner 6 with concert toms and a SuperTen snare. Maybe Dan1C can come up with it.

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I can't tell you the value of the drums but what I will say is take the time to bring them back to life no need to rush through a labor of love ( I have two sets that are being address) I don't care about the value I care about the sound and how well their maintained instruments were made to be played not just looked at.
Dear old dad bought them and held onto them for whatever reason you should do the same. just my .02.

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hey there, how are you? Im totally new to this website and simply trying to find out what my rogers drumset is also worth. im a beginner drummer with a 5-piece rogers 340 drum set. the set i own seems to be one of a kind. Meaning unlike any other rogers set that ive seen. The clips/hooks go around each piece of the drum from top to bottom. I was able to find out that they no longer make drums with these so called clips/latches. I would be more then happy to post pictures just dont know really where to begin online to get answers to my questions and i suppose if you care to help out a buddy drummer, i would be very APPRECIATIVE! Hope you have a great day, and any help/info is welcome
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That finish is called 'New Mahogany', and your drums were made between 1972 and 1975.

The toms with no bottom heads are called 'concert toms', and were very popular in the 70's and into the 80's as well.

That wrap should be wiped down with a sponge and some soapy water (a little Dawn liquid in there will do it), and then dry them off.

I use Maguires Cleaner Wax from the auto supply store on the wrap, it cleans and leaves a good wax coating. The 3-step Novus products are better on the sparkle or pearl wraps, they aren't really needed on the wood wraps. The wood wraps are basically a type of Formica countertop material, and they don't have the plastic top layer that Novus works well on.

The chrome parts can be washed in the sink, being careful to dry them well. I use Turtle Wax Chrome Polish on the metal parts, also from the auto supply store.

The hoops on the bass drum can be resprayed (after masking off the inlay with 1/2" masking tape) using semi-gloss enamel spray cans.

The concert toms should be left alone. To make them double-headed would require cutting a bottom bearing edge on each of them, as well as drilling holes for the bottom lugs. These operations need to be done by a qualified shop. The labor and the parts will add up to a fair amount of money, and the drums will lose value because they are no longer original.
Better to find a couple of 2-headed toms on eBay in your finish (there's always some of those popping up) and sell off the concert toms to recoup some money.

There's a lot of toms in your photos, you need to decide if you really need all of them, it would be cheaper to upgrade only 2 of them. And at least one of them appears to be a 14 or 15" drum, a very large tom to put on top of the bass, not usually seen these days.

Not sure what that layout is called, but the Rogers drums were all 'Powertone' model drums in the 70's. There are all the Rogers catalogs on this website. Look in the 1970 and 1973 catalogs to figure out the specific layout name you have.
Keep in mind that what you have might not match up exactly to what is in the catalogs: the dealers would order them whichever way a buyer would want them.

Good luck...



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